Residents are afraid of a smart meter located outside their home operating for a few seconds a day but are quite willing to sleep with a cell phone inches from their head on a night table. Of course pressing a cell phone transceiver directly to their head chatting all day in addition means nothing, and then there are all the cell phone towers constantly bombarding everybody 24 hours a day..........on and on it goes. The smart meter wimps might better campaign to have cell phone technology dismantled.

For example in March 2012, "Researchers from the Yale School of Medicine studying mice found that exposure to cellphone radiation during pregnancy affected the offspring’s brain development and could cause hyperactivity and memory problems."
and that is the tip of the iceberg.... plants that dont grow as many roots or bees that leave their hives...
What else do you need??
How foolish that we did not test for safey first. What a tragedy awaits us.

Dear Terry,

As I see it, a "wimp" is someone not brave enough to stand up for what they believe and furthurmore -- not insightful enough to educate themselves about things that may be painful to know.

In the case of cellphones and WiFI and microwave radiation it is not painful but seriously annoying to consider. However "less annoying" when you thoughtfully weigh the possible risks to your health.

I hope your bed or favorite chair does not back to the smartmeter on the other side of the wall. Just as I hope you do not hold that cellphone against your ear! I challenge any of you to get a RF meter and hold it up to your "smart" meter and open your eyes to the microwaves it puts out.

Would you microwave your head on purpose? or slow cook it?

That is, in fact, what you are doing with RF microwave radiation.

Swedish researchers from Lund University (Salford, Brun, Persson, Eberhardt, and Malmgren) have studied the effects of microwave radiation on the rat brain. They found a leakage of albumin into the brain via a permeated blood–brain barrier.

The European Commission is releasing a document right now calling on the Scientific Committee on Emerging and Newly Identified Health Risks to RE- EVALUATE the health risks in light of recent research!
The United States is ignoring this issue. Unless the people speak up now, they will only address this in 20 years as a health care issue for all of us who are sick and in need of medical services.

Brain Res. 2010 Feb 8;1313:232-41. Epub 2009 Dec 5.

Effect of 835 MHz radiofrequency radiation exposure on calcium binding proteins in the hippocampus of the mouse brain.
Worldwide expansion of mobile phones and electromagnetic field (EMF) exposure has raised question of their possible biological effects on the brain and nervous system. Radiofrequency (RF) radiation might alter intracellular signaling pathways through changes in calcium (Ca(2+)) permeability across cell membranes.CB and CR expression were measured with immunohistochemistry in the hippocampus of mice after EMF exposure at 835 MHz for different exposure times and absorption rates,results: CB immunoreactivity (IR) displayed moderate staining of cells in the cornu ammonis (CA) areas and prominently stained granule cells. CR IR revealed prominently stained pyramidal cells with dendrites running perpendicularly in the CA area.
Exposure for 1 month produced almost complete loss of pyramidal cells in the CA1 area. CaBP differences could cause changes in cellular Ca(2+)levels, which could have deleterious effect on normal hippocampal functions concerned with neuronal connectivity and integration.

Johnnie Cockran's family has even stated his tumor could be caused by his heavy cell phone usage. In EMF studies, if utility companies fund the study, they surprisingly are over 50% negative. If they are independently funded- they are 70% positive. wierd huh....

Take this recent Hamster study-Non-thermal effects of 2.45GHz microwaves on spindle assembly, mitotic cells and viability of Chinese hamster V-79 cellsMutation Research - Fundamental and Molecular Mechanism of Mutagenesis 2011

In comparison to the control group, a significant increase in the number of cells with aberant mitotic spindle apparatus was detected in the exposure groups (5 and 10 mW/cm2, frequency of aberant mitotic spindle apparatus increased significantly with increasing power density), but not in the temperature control groups. The number of apoptotic cells was significantly increased in both exposure groups while the mitotic index decreased, as compared to the sham exposed groups and the temperature controls. The temperature effect on the correct assembly of mitotic spindle apparatus was negliable up to 41°C. Apoptosis was induced only when the medium temperature achieved 40°C, thus exceeding the maximum value registered during exposure .
The authors hypothesize that short term microwave exposures at 2.45 GHz cause alterations of the mitotic spindle apparatus in V79 cells and this represents, in turn, a pro-apoptotic signal.
Here is a list... http://www.justproveit.net/content/studies

Pepco tried to pull the not activated line on me. I have a meter that measures microwaves and told them that the smartmeter on my mother's house was indeed putting out microwaves. I had them replace it with an analog.

It is true that many people voluntarily expose themselves to wireless devices, but that is just it, smartmeters are involuntary. We should be free to pick our poisons and not have them imposed on us. Another factor to consider is that these effects are additive and cumulative. Each transmitter added increases the overall level of microwaves and thusly increases the odds that a person will have an adverse reaction. And as the effects are cumulative, once a person is pushed into hypersensitivity the only way to heal is to greatly reduce exposure. We can turn off our WiFi routers and computers, smartphones, DECT cordless phones, baby monitors, and ereaders, but we cannot turn off our smartmeters.

Sheryl Crow also has stated her tumor could have been due to her cell phone use.
How can PEPCO think its OK to place a device on our homes where the experts agree that "more research is needed" ?

Is it our job to stop this?
What happened to our government?

PEPCO, in answers to the Washington, DC Office of People's Counsel, has stated that the meters they are using are broadcasting thousands of times per day.

Watch a Washington, DC PEPCO (Landis & Gyr) wireless "Smart" Meter Going Haywire - (Measured by Trifield Meter on 2/16/12)

http://vimeo.com/36960439

If your "smart" meter is just being activated and you start having strange headaches or interrupted sleep or hearing problems it may be your "smart" meter. Please take the time to read the below mentioned report from Santa Cruz Country.

http://emfsafetynetwork.org/?p=6959

Santa Cruz County, CA Board of Supervisors directed its public health officer to prepare an analysis of the research on the health effects of Smart Meters in December 2011. Poki Stewart Namkung, M.D. M.P.H., prepared this report: Health Risks Associated With SmartMeters which recognizes:

Smart Meters transmit pulsed radiation (RF) 24/7
There are evidence-based health risks of RF
RF exposure can be cumulative and additive
The massive increase in RF public exposures since the mid-1990′s
The controversy between independent and industry science, including lack of funding for independent research
Evidence to support an Electrical Sensitivity (EHS) diagnosis
The public health issue is that Smart Meters are involuntary RF exposures
FCC thermal guidelines are irrelevant for non-thermal public exposures.
The lack of relevant safety standards for chronic pulsed RF

The report summary calls for more government vigilance towards involuntary RF public exposures because, “…governmental agencies are the only defense against such involuntary exposure.”

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/09/self-combusting-smart-meters/

A General Electric smart meter after it burst into flames at a home in Illinois. Image courtesy of Shirley Bayliff

Check to see what type of Meter you have and consider opting out :)

http://www.forbes.com/sites/williampentland/2011/05/03/not-so-smart-meters-overbilling-californians/

"The meters, manufactured by Landis+Gyr, malfunctioned when they get too hot..."

Check to see what type of Meter you have and consider opting out :)

Watch a home owner in the Philadelphia area talking about his "smart" meter that caught on fire and burned part of his house:

http://www.myfoxphilly.com/story/19289039/peco-halts-smart-meter-installation-program

Fires are happening all over the country and in other countries? Why? Because they are inherently unsafe, unstable and degrade your wiring over time.

The Maryland Public Service Commission has been informed of this and should ban the meters outright. How many over heating meters does it take until there is a fire?

The US Cell Phone Right to Know Act

Heavy cell phone use is currently linked to an increased risk of cancer of the salivary gland, changes in brain glucose use, cognitive function, and increased brain tumors.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/05/31/who.cell.phones/index.html

Here is a link to the bill http://thomas.loc.gov/home/gpoxmlc112/h6358_ih.xml

The Cell Phone Right to Know Act (HR 6358) is a sensible piece of legislation introduced in August by Rep. Dennis Kucinich in the US Congress, that would require the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to set safety limits that would supersede FCC’s current “guidelines” to ensure that people are not harmed by their daily use of and exposure to wireless devices.

What You Can Do:
1) Contact your congressperson and your senator today- ask them to support and co-sponsor HR 6358 the Cell Phone Right to Know Act

Please explain how you see it creating a market? I am interested?

Malaprop, you seem to comment all over America's Patch on Smartmeters. Are you a paid Exponent (industry funded "independent" science") employee?
How much are the utility Companies giving you for your online work?

The Italian Supreme Court ruled that cell phone cause brain tumors and there is about to be somewhat a revolution going on.
http://www.24medica.com/content/view/2816/2/
The United States is behind the curb because instead of science they look at the money from utility companies.
Those of Good Science consider RF a Class 2 B carcinogen. It wont be long before you will be last with your cell phone and smartmeter.

Until then we will just camp out at Buddy Attic park.

LOL The Nutters think it's all a UN plot...

LOL! the legal profession? that certainly is not the science I am speaking of.

Im impressed that the International Agency for the Research on Cancer even got around to making it a Class B carcinogen considering it took decades to move diesel exhaust from Class 2 B to a Group I carcinogen. That's the Science I am talking about- those large politically charged review bodies of experts. It takes them so long that when they speak you know they have some serious science behind the statement when they do.

Sadly they are not taking heed of the early signs and the people will pay the ultimate price because they don't open their eyes and read.

It's about time there was a Class action suit on these matters. Maybe then people will stop drinking the utility company Koolaid that -my dear Malaprop- you seen so well versed in.
Im seeing a lot of bullying going on when folks just try and stand up for their health.

As Penelope said, just go on Pubmed or other oncology search engines and start searching around "the Science". There is plenty there to back up the anti Smartmeter folks.
It certainly does seem a little crazy unto you look into it... and realize the information is right there but nobody was sharing it with us as we were lost in reality shows or football or anything but "real science" .
These meters are supposed to be Green but they are in fact the opposite!
Think of all the money changing hands to manufacture and "deploy" (a great word considering microwaves were tested as weapons) in towns, cities and states- these little microwave emitting devices.

Malaprop, You truly are making me laugh out loud!
"From 2008 to 2010, Pepco CEO Joe Rigby earned $8.8 million and Pepco top officers earned more than $22 million. During that same period, Pepco reported $882 million in profits, paid no federal and state income taxes and received $817 million in tax refunds."
LOL

on weapons
http://www.nature.com/news/microwave-weapons-wasted-energy-1.11396

or how about this.
http://www.the-scientist.com/?articles.view/articleNo/32648/title/Opinion:%20Cell%20Phone%20Health%20Risk?

"Microwaving Iraq" ?
I have not fully vetted this article but I came across this after reading your post Maryjane. http://rense.com/general62/mciro.htm
Something to start a conversation on indeed!

and did you know about the Soviets microwaving our Embassy staff?
"Lilienfeld et al, 1978 Moscow Study:
In 1962 the US Defence department learned that since
1953 Soviet authorities were beaming microwaves
from across the street directly into the US embassy in
Moscow.
www.emfacts.com/download/icnirp_critique.pdf

"Pepco makes money smart meters or not."
Good Malaprop, Now we are all on the same page.

Any thoughts on the microwave weapon's pieces ?

Before this old lady goes to sleep, let me remind you all about this. I just visited a Greenbelt friend and noted that next to the front door of the apartments down through the basement glass windows one could see the laundry room below...and on the wall- a group of Smartmeters. And where was her bedroom? Directly above it!

No thousand dollar anti EMF- bed curtain or crystal could help this situation.

Time to Move!

Hacked!
Finally me and Chuck Norris agree with each other! Strange bedfellows this issue makes.
""We were able to both eavesdrop on messages as well as spoof messages to falsify the reading captured by a commonly used 'walk-by' reader," they said. Through wireless monitoring, they harvested consumption data from 485 meters within a 300m radius region."

Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2012-10-automated-meter-life-easy-intruders.html#jCp

Chuck Norris warns utility companies aren't telling whole truth on electrosmog
"Don't be conned: Smart meters are stupid idea"

I was shocked to read his most eloquent commentary!
http://www.wnd.com/2011/07/320097/

Pepco has not done its homework:

Who is writing their web pages?
OOPs, They seem to be omitting important facts about brain tumors and brain glucose uptake and oops about mice with behavioral issues.
This is from their website. Its amazing they can get away with such mush. Send those writers to college!

How much research has been done on the health effects on the smart meters Pepco is using?
Over the past decade, there have been hundreds of studies in this area. The smart meters being installed by Pepco use very low-power radio frequency (RF) fields to transmit power usage data. The RF fields used by smart meters are in the same frequency ranges used by cellular and cordless phones, but are at much lower power and typically occur for less than a total of one minute per day. There is a large body of scientific research on RF fields and health. Federal Regulatory agencies have conducted detailed reviews of this scientific research and have not found any reliable basis to conclude that there are health risks related to RF exposures at levels below recognized standards

The GAO to the FCC
"FCC’s current RF energy exposure limit for mobile phones, established in 1996, may not reflect the latest evidence on the thermal effects of RF energy exposure"
http://www.gao.gov/assets/600/592901.pdf

Malaprop, your moniker is well chosen. Everything you post is meant to mislead. The significance of Pepco's profits has to do with the fact that they went with the cheapest to install smart grid rather than using the best method for smartmeter communications, which is fiber optics. In Chattanooga, TN the community owned utility went with fiber - http://chattanoogagig.com/. As far as I can tell all of the private corporate owned utilities are going with wireless systems. It's pure insanity. Wireless uses more energy, causes more pollution, is less secure and handles greater bandwidth.

And really, what is your implication about people who make money on mitigating wireless exposures? We should all sit back and fry? It is obvious that the profit motive is on the side of industry and the government. They are raking in trillions off of this dangerous technology. If you are waiting for them to come clean and tell you how dangerous exposure is you might as well get it over with and stick your head in a microwave oven. It will never happen. The researchers and people who have pioneered EMF/RF research and mitigation are heroes. They typically make little money and have to endure ridicule from naive uneducated people. My tin foil hat is off to them.

Would you microwave your head for just a wee minute?
That is the question we need to decide thoughtfully in this issue.
It is the issue.
Thank you Angela.

Jag,
I'm afraid you have come in late in this discussion but I am glad you are reading.
Start at the top and read down.
Be sure to follow links and take your time with all the numbers.

Smartmeters emit microwaves just as your microwave ovens do but at lower levels. However these emissions are 24/7.

So its sort of a slow cooker microwave on all the time in your home and depending on where you physically are, it is cooking you more or less. This is the simple way of verbalizing it.

Want to get more technical? Here is a good place to start if you don't feel like reading the last 30 posts. This research looks at microwave oven exposure , cell phones and compares it to Smartmeter exposure.
It has exciting graphs too. http://www.committeetobridgethegap.org/pdf/110212_RFrad_comments.pdf

If health is not your thing - You may also want to read this consumers digest article on why Smartmeters are dumb.
http://www.consumersdigest.com/special-reports/why-smart-meters-might-be-a-dumb-idea

Cancer is understood as a result of CUMULATIVE exposure.

Remember we are talking exposure 24/7 for years.
SMARTMETERS
Its like putting just a wee bit of lead in everything we eat because "that amount cant hurt us" .
Until you add it up.

Hi Jag, The microwave band of the electromagnetic spectrum is 300 MHz to 300 GHz. Smartmeters typically have two transmitters. One operates at about 900 MHz and communicates with the utility company. The other operates at 2.4 GHz and is intended to operate with a house full of appliances that will also have transmitters that operate at 2.4 GHz. A microwave oven operates at 2.45 GHz. See - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave

"Microwaving your head? Yeah, that has a lot to do with smart meters."
Dear Jag,
In terms of the health concerns- Microwaving our heads is one of the primary issues to consider.
All parties agree that radio frequency microwave exposure is occurring with Smartmeters.

Anyone considering opting out?
Go here.
http://marylandsmartmeterawareness.org/opt-out-news/option-to-defer-smart-meters/

These liberal green Obama extremists are using this page as a bulletin for their crazy ideas. No one cares!
I drink beer and smoke cigarettes and Im 41 and strong as a horse.
Enough said!

Hi S. Malone, It takes years for cancer to reach a critical point where it has obvious symptoms. That is why people go in for cancer screenings. I strongly encourage you to get screened and to change your life style. Most cancer is environmentally induced. You are a high risk and believe me as I have seen friends and family die from cancer, it is not the way you want to go.

A link to an excellent article by Joel M. Moskowitz, Ph.D.
from Center for Family and Community Health School of Public Health
University of California, Berkeley about the Italian Ruling and the US Telecommunications Industry.

http://www.prlog.org/12004383-italian-supreme-court-rules-cell-phones-can-cause-cancer.html

Malaprop,
These books are for you to consider
http://www.amazon.com/Dirty-Electricity-Electrification-Diseases-Civilization/dp/1450238211/ref=sr_1_11?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1351040311&sr=1-11&keywords=emf

http://www.amazon.com/Public-Health-SOS-Wireless-Revolution/dp/1441458794/ref=sr_1_43?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1351040391&sr=1-43&keywords=emf

Here's one from a real scientist.

http://spectrum.ieee.org/telecom/wireless/murderous-microwaves

Why did the author of "Dirty Electricity" appear on this show July 25?
www.spingola.com/July2012.html

Note that the show typically features antisemitic themes, Zionist and 9/11 conspiracy theories, and the author you recommend has a guest appearance. You really know how to pick them MaryJane.

Issues of Privacy, Security, Fires and Health have a way of galvanizing groups that usually would never merge.
Interesting how the multiple problems with Smartmeters can bring so many types of people together. Indeed, I don't agree with the politics of many other Smartmeter advocates.
Tea party folks, environmentalists and and totally boring grandparents like me.

Usually once people are educated on these issues they 99% decide to opt out. The majority of those who have not opted out have done so because they don't even know what a Smartmeter is.
or Greed.
I think in your case you have a paid job doing such great work making this page so popular.
And please read this excellent update from Louis http://microwavenews.com/

If you want to talk about real issues Malaprop please tell me how you understand the increase in brain tumors to come about? What are your scientific educated thoughts on this? Confounding factors, bias?
How does Malaprop make sense of this? Stop withholding your true thoughts please. So far all I hear are defensive attacks with no plunging into the facts we present.
How do you account for the studies that show an increase of tumors? in behavioral changes, in glucose metabolism changes...

Do you have a Smartmeter?

Hi Malaprop, You do realize that the IEEE is composed of engineers and industry reps who have an interest in discounting the science on the harmful biological effects of RF, don't you? And I'm sure you also realize that the independent scientists who work on this issue do not get interviewed by the corporate media that is largely owned by the telecoms. Please stop the tired industry attacks and get real already. People are suffering and even dying due to microwave exposure from wireless devices. I know people who have gotten brain tumors from cell/cordless phone use. It is tragic and the people in charge who are allowing this should be held accountable. Don't join their ranks by aiding and abetting the lies and distortions.

Increased cancer, brain changes, poor sperm quality, symptoms of ADHD, tinnitis, headaches, ..... how do you explain away these research results Malaprop?

I'm not engaged in the privacy / security / fire issues. You'll have to debate someone else there. I'm more concerned about a separate systematic drawback of smart meters that is rarely mentioned, but I need to do more research before I speak about that.

I am not shy about debating the RF and health issue. You mention several studies above. What is the validity of these studies and their findings? Have they been subject to solid scientific review? Have they been replicated? Has any causal explanation been verified for correlation? Somehow, I doubt that.

How about this Malaprop,
Start at the top and click and read the links first. It is hard to discuss issues if you do not know what you are countering.

Of course we think they are valid or we would not be so serious about this issue.
The pressing issue is when do we pull in the precautionary principal.

why dont you start with http://www.prlog.org/12004383-italian-supreme-court-rules-cell-phones-can-cause-cancer.html
and work your way up.

The article says:

"The Insurance industry will not provide product liability insurance due to concerns that juries will find that the Telecom industry has behaved much like the Tobacco and Asbestos industries."

How do you interpret this statement from Joel Moskowitz? Does it say that the telecoms are behaving badly or that a jury will be convinced by some crafty attorney that they have been behaving badly? It's not clear to me.

Now here is something from Swiss Re (1996) which is quite clear in its assessment:

"Due to its phantom-like nature the EMF problem is almost ideally suitable for liability claims aimed at achieving enrichment or political effect: all the more so because the subject matter is so complex and complicated that average people can be very easily misled into drawing false conclusions. There is a great political and financial interest in convincing society to see electrosmog as a health hazard."

and this:

"Thus, we assess the risk of change as being extraordinarily explosive not because weak electromagnetic fields might, contrary to expectations, prove to be hazardous after all (similar to asbestos fibres which years ago were gradually proved to be deleterious to health). We consider the risk of change to be so dangerous because it is evident that a wide range of groups have great political and financial interest in electrosmong being consider hazardous by society."

http://www.emfandhealth.com/Swiss-ReElectrosmog.pdf

Got it. i read this quite interesting 1996 document from an insurance company.
i think it is important to note the date was before all the research has coming in. furthurmore it is from an insurance company discussing its role?
Seriously malaprop?
1996 ? a note from an insurance company
Joel Moskowitz is a doctor who works in community health.
I know you can do better than this.

here try this http://www.bioinitiative.org/

About Joel
http://sph.berkeley.edu/faculty/moskowitz.php

Less of an activist and more of a doctor who has researched the issues as he did a recent analysis of studies on EMF.
Malaprop, maybe we should read some of his studies.

Im sorry, You are going by his facebook likes?
The guy is a doctor at Berkeley ? really?
if you are going to judge someone by their Facebook page im not sure where to go with you?
does this mean you discredit his research. ?
ill admit i have not read his work yet but he does seem more intelligent than the average joe, than me of course.
I was looking at his list of publications, not his Facebook page. could you come up with something other than a 1996 insurance company statement?

Perhaps you could tell me your facebook page favorites?

Are you an activist with each one of them.. or do you simply agree with their causes?

MaryJane:

You've questioned the Swiss Re report -- here is some further mention of Swiss Re:

www.emfnews.org/articles/2011/02/
"The risks posed by EMFs are recognised not only by scientists, but hard-headed commercial organisations. In 1997, the insurance company Swiss-Re identified EMFs as likely to cause the biggest increase in claims in years to come. Swiss-Re and other insurers have therefore refused to indemnify the mobile phone operators against health claims from their customers."

Dr. Devra Davis interview GreenAmerica 2011. She mentions Swiss Re -- what is the source?
"Tracy: One thing you point out in your book that I think people don’t realize is that industry is issuing warnings about cell phone radiation and human health—though very quietly."

"Dr. Davis: The ultimate indication of this now comes from the insurance industry. You cannot buy secondary insurance for cell phone damages from Lloyds of London, Swiss Re, or many of the companies that provide this insurance."

it is mentioned Indeed but it still is what it is.. a 1996 article? Of course insurance companies dont want o cover it.. just like they dont want to do earthquakes in earthquake zones! LOL
or they often wont cover falls if someone buys an outdoor trampoline... because its dangerous and they know it!

Are you baseing your opinion on this matter on that report?

Are you somehow connected to it?
I am sorry but this makes no logical sense in debating the health issues of Smartmeters, Anyone else out there reading this with thoughts?
An insurance company's 1996 document.
It is 18 years old.

Dear Malaprop,
You refuse to read the Bioinitiative Report?
I did not refuse your Swiss document I downloaded and read near midnight at work! .
and your ancient article is from an insurance company!
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh a true debater knows the opposite sides views inside and out.

If you want to have an educated discussion, you must at least try .
If you are not actually going to try to understand our concerns then I have no further need to engage with you other than to counter your misrepresentations for the greater public who by chance may come upon this site.

MaryJane:

You posted the following:

"Want to get more technical? Here is a good place to start if you don't feel like reading the last 30 posts. This research looks at microwave oven exposure , cell phones and compares it to Smartmeter exposure.
It has exciting graphs too."
http://www.committeetobridgethegap.org/pdf/110212_RFrad_comments.pdf

I've read that document. You claim it has something to say, I claim it's bogus. At least we have common ground having both read it.

Shall we discuss?

Yes, How do you see it as bogus? Please explain in detail.

"Nor did it convert the EPRI cell phone power density estimate into comparable units. EPRI (andthus CCST) compared a whole body average exposure to SmartMeter radiation to peak exposure to the ear for the cell phone. One needs to compare apples and apples, or whole body exposures
to whole body exposures. Comparing the peak dose to the ear from a cell phone, when the restof the body gets vastly less radiation, with a whole body exposure where all organs get roughly the same dose from a SmartMeter, doesn’t seem appropriate"

Any fifth grader knows that when you do a word problem... you make sure units are comparable.

When you say "bogus" please give details as to why you say this?

Dear Malaprop,
If you are going to refer to something as "bogus" if would be helpful to delineate the specific concepts that strike you as "bogus". That is how we will have a thoughtful discussion.

I have found that when we start really looking at details and facts ---folks like Malaprop are unable to make convincing arguments. They rely on name calling, bullying and in his case... a 1996 dated insurance document.

The EPRI is funded by the largest conglomerate of utility companies in the world.
I am sure Malaprop will have issue with Gary Null but this article is helpful in understanding some important political history. I recommend we all read this if you want to know how our government dropped the ball 15 years ago. and LOL it is very outdated. http://www.garynullforum.com/GNthisArticle.php?article=154
And the saddest thing.... residential EMFs from powerlines are firmly linked to a doubling of childhood leukemia. Recent studies are showing neurodegeneration and Alzheimers are as well. - double the risk.
Hopefully someone other than Malaprop is reading this.
Let us not repeat history.

Think about it, if indeed the association is related to causation, which it is hard not to believe (unless you are Malaprop and his EPRI buddies) and if ten years ago when the WHO concluded that childhood leukemia link was real.. they had taken action... what of the impact on Alzeheimers rates in this country and the world? And of course the children with leukemia caused by living under the lines.

So now when we are seeing associations with brain cancer... do we ignore it..

Clear associations in the heaviest users at highest years of use for cell phones and brain tumors. Almost all research is showing this statistically significant association.

Our grandchildren and children will be using these devices all their lives , THEIR LIVES which might be shorter if we do not address this issue.
Smartmeters bring in even more radio frequency fields bombarding them all night and day.
Really?
How is this anything but completely DUMB.

MaryJane -- I see you have been quite active today on this blog. I will get to Daniel Hirsch much later tonight or this weekend -- I do have other things going on.

You have made points on the need for convincing arguments However, there is one argument that you made where you were not convincing:

"I think in your [Malaprop's] case you have a paid job doing such great work making this page so popular."

I would like again to ask what evidence you have that led you to this statement.

If you are forthright and admit that you have none, I will consider that an act of contrition and will cease using it as an example of a logical fallacy on your part.

If you have evidence then by all means share it.

MaryJane:

You are confused. The 1996 document I quoted is mentioned by many of those in the anti-wireless camp that are dear to you. It was also referenced by one of the authors of the BioInitiative Report in this special edition of Pathophysiology.

http://www.pathophysiologyjournal.com/issues?issue_key=S0928-4680(09)X0003-9

There is no shortage of anti-wireless pundits referencing the document, so can we expect you to be equally critical of them?

My point about Swiss Re is not so much that their opinion matters. The issue is that the Swiss Re clearly stated that activists have great financial and political interest in promoting the "Phantom Risk" of EMF and cancer. Swiss Re believes it is the promotion by activists and not scientific basis that may result in a jury reward.

Of course, none of the activists who reference the Swiss Re report state Swiss Re's opinion. They have deceitfully inserted their own, self-serving opinion instead.

You have declared this document obsolete and invalid. It may very well be so. Please tell that to all of the activists who have been promoting false opinions from this document's authors.

MaryJane:

Regarding your statement:

"Would you microwave your head for just a wee minute?
That is the question we need to decide thoughtfully in this issue.
It is the issue."

Please tell us the relevance of this statement? I have to admit, this one escapes me.

I agree that this is convincing argument -- I'm convinced that you do not understand basic science.

Malaprop,
Im not sure you are even reading my posts or you would not ask this question. Perhaps you just flit from Smartmeter post in Encitas to here and back? but do not really read.
Again, Start at the top and read down.
As Angela said " The microwave band of the electromagnetic spectrum is 300 MHz to 300 GHz. Smartmeters typically have two transmitters. One operates at about 900 MHz and communicates with the utility company. The other operates at 2.4 GHz and is intended to operate with a house full of appliances that will also have transmitters that operate at 2.4 GHz. A microwave oven operates at 2.45 GHz. See - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave";;

Then go to http://www.committeetobridgethegap.org/pdf/110212_RFrad_comments.pdf
After reading this (just try) you will see that "Smart meters are at least 100x more powerful than cell phones" in terms of the full body exposure they cover.

Lol Malaprop. You are starting to waste my time.

So if you are say.. sleeping next to your Smartmeter al cozy in bed you are getting doses of microwave radiation all night for example. It adds up....
a minute in the microwave or longer in bed.
A potato will cook either way.

Rat Sperm Smartmeters and radio frequency radiation!
Spermatozoa from exposed rats showed significant morphological changes in midpiece region, microtubules, outer dense fibers of mitochondria and membranes and distortions in sperm head,"
http://www.emf-portal.de/viewer.php?l=e&aid=21125

How about you read it and lets talk!
Malaprop, I had hoped the potato analogy would be one you could understand as you seem to be challenged when I present multiple scientific reports.

Food can either cook in the microwave for a short time, in the oven for longer or among smoldering ashes for a much longer time.

of course with Smartmeters we are talking all sorts of health effects.

This study is not the first study to show such results....
lets talk about Sperm heating up!
or should we say the slow cooking of sperm.
Of course it may not be so bad. The world is overpopulated. Maybe this is part of a technological natural selection that may not be so bad after all.

Hirsch's letter to the CCST includes this complaint:

"There is no mention or analysis of the specific studies that have suggested, for example, a cancer effect from RF exposure such as the large, international study funded by the cell phone industry, the Interphone study, that found a significant increase in brain cancers in people who used cell phones half an hour a day for ten years."

This finding (and it remains controversial) assumed that the cell phone was held against the head.

Hirsch then makes the following statement:

"Comparing the peak dose to the ear from a cell phone, when the rest of the body gets vastly less radiation, with a whole body exposure where all organs get roughly the same dose from a SmartMeter, doesn’t seem appropriate. If there is a cancer effect, it is likely associated with the total RF energy the body receives."

That latter statement is baseless. The exposure is far more acute in the case where the phone is held against the ear. The localized exposure has greater intensity. Hirsch insists that the effect of exposure remains as the exposure becomes more uniform and less intense. This hypothesis violates basic prinicples of physics, specifically the inverse-square distance law and Hirsch feels he can get away with it.

MaryJane:

"I think in your [Malaprop's] case you have a paid job doing such great work making this page so popular."

This is my third request for evidence that I am paid to post on this matter. Can you substantiate the statement you made above?

"In typical operation, people are not near the smart meters "
Wrong! My niece's bedroom was near one and in fact her head two feet from it till we moved her bed last month!

RF emissions into the home are shielded in part by the back of the meter, the electrical service panel, exterior and interior walls of the premise, and any furniture or other items in the path between the meter and subject."

Nice science Malaprop!
what does "shielded in part" mean anyway ?
This all depends on the material that is there and I can tell you from my rf measurements that it was not enough to shield the RF!
This is the poor science.... how does the utility company know where each of these are located. My friend told me she looked at an apartment where her meter was in the kitchen- facing the stove!
yes indeed !
in fact it was a tiny little kitchen
now who put that meter in there ??? Pepco did...
please explain this?

If a company is going to claim that there is shielding... then they had better make some "scientific" decisions on where to place the meter.
Only- sigh.. they have not even come up with a specific amount of a certain kind of material necessary to "shield" it. Maybe if this was stated explicitly they would have a point.
Like.. be sure to have a solid aluminum wall.... or something like this.
Smartmeters! poorly thought out and poorly implemented.
a meter in a kitchen facing the stove?
what about the bank of meters facing my last apartment?
Pepco never came in and measured the reflection on that thin wall to make sure it was shielded.. no in fact these 20 meters were facing my bedroom, aiming straight at me!
Explain this Malaprop please

Let me see if I get this -- we should believe that panel plus walls do not diminish the exposure? We should throw away EPRI's measurements, the judgement of CCST, the review by Berkeley labs in favor of the word of Hirsch?

And you took measurements? You have ZERO credibility.

Just examine some of your distortions -- your response to the Swiss Re report which is referenced repeatedly by anti-smart meter activists.

Your theory on microwave ovens?

And let's not forget your accusation of my being a paid poster without providing any evidence.

Explain- This is not time to sleep! You have work to do!

Malaprop,
You continue not to read my posts. Slow down and read.
What of the meter in the kitchen?
What of the 20 meters facing the apartment separated from the bedroom by drywall? the meters were facing the bedroom! not away from the bedroom but aiming straight at it.
no panel there .

"your response to the Swiss Re report which is referenced repeatedly by anti-smart meter activists." Are you kidding? I think you should reread that ancient report before you quote it again.

Now I cant tell if you are a teenager or a retired EPRI guy doing some side work.
Read a little slower.

Do you have a Smartmeter?
You know your blood brain barrier could be leaking. Read this and tell me whats wrong with it.

http://www.emf-portal.de/viewer.php?aid=19140&l=e
"In the radiofrequency exposed rats, there was a somewhat increased leakage (in 25% of the animals), while the "extremely low frequency" and "radiofrequency + extremely low frequency" exposed groups were not significantly different from the control group.
The authors conclude that the use of external fans has not had any major influence upon the results they have accumulated during the past 20 years. The findings are in line with their previous work of increased blood-brain barrier permeability after nonthermal radiofrequency exposure especially at very low SAR levels, in this case more than 1,000 times lower than the recommended limit value of 2 W/kg."

And don't forget your neurons..

"Nerve cell damage in mammalian brain after exposure to microwaves from GSM mobile phones. "
Remember mobile phones and Smartmeters share similiar electromagentic emissions.
Smart Meters use the 900 MHz band communication as is in this study.
By: Salford LG, Brun AE, Eberhardt JL, Malmgren L, Persson BR
Published in: Environ Health Perspect 2003; 111 (7): 881 - 3 (
Main outcome of study"
A highly significant evidence for neuronal damage in the cortex, hippocampus, and basal ganglia in the brains of exposed rats was found.

http://www.emf-portal.de/viewer.php?aid=9462&l=e

and LOL
EPRI will defend Smartmeters to the end.
Please don't bring them up again, talk about money..
Zero credibility Malaprop!

But I want o hear your thoughts on the brain leakage and of course neurons..
Whats your problem with these studies?

Malaprop,
You just are out there but wont talk about the science! You accuse, you send old reports and none of it makes sense. When I present you with evidence you either do not read it or dismiss it!
The science is catching up with you!
The reason I think you are paid is that you seem to comment all around the nation about Smartmeters . Where do you live?
I live in Maryland and don't run around the USA commenting as you do. This is why I suspect you are paid of course.
and i think you should drop the Swiss report. Hopefully someone out there read it as I did and can attest to its meaninglessness in this discussion.
The fact is the research is getting to a critical mass and you who continue to deny it cannot for too much longer.
Did you read about the blood brain barrier? what of that?
Did you read it (I doubt it)
your thoughts Malaprop!

Im trying to talk science but you refuse to read it.
Review the science!
Read the research!

And what of neuro- cognitive effects from prenatal exposure?
Have you read those reports?

"The reason I think you are paid is that you seem to comment all around the nation about Smartmeters."

That proves nothing. You have also stated that I do not know science and hurled many other insults. If you truly believe that, why would somebody pay me?

"EPRI has little or nothing to gain by promoting "dangerous" smart meters. Science is on their side.
The anti-smart meter activists have much to gain through quackery (consulting fees, lawsuits, book sales, RF shielding devices, etc.) "
This is why I worry about you. Engineers know Math!
Who has the most money to lose ?
the utility companies.. or people selling thousand dollar canopies nobody buys..? Who?

MaryJane:

Let's focus on scientists floating in the anti-smart meter movement. Aside from the booty eyed by Moskowitz, look at all the other opportunities.

Sage Associates can rake in a few bucks through their consulting. They are behind the BIR and they have proposed a set of RF emission standards far below the FCC levels. Is this human interest or a play to generate more business through fear mongering?

Sage has wrote a horribly flawed report on smart meters that EPRI debunked. EPRI's analysis is solid and shows the illogical and deceptive practices that distinguish Sage.

Sage responds to criticism, but it's clear the audience she addresses in her responses. No scientist nor engineer will be fooled by Sage's work -- and I certain that Sage is well aware of that. She does not speak to the scientific community -- she writes to the gullible anti-smart meter audience who cheer on every attack she makes on those who actually produce.

Now I'd like to know what is it that EPRI has on the line? The utilities will continue to make billions, smart meter or not.

The idea that EPRI is behind a grand conspiracy with so little to gain and so much to lose just doesn't cut it.

To be honest, When i got into this several months ago I sstayed away from all the groups and immersed myself in the research online. Too many studies showing effects. Then I got the picture.
Start there. You don't even have to read the Sage stuff to get the picture.
Go right to the emfportal or just google and read only pub med. . Read the meta analysis. Take this week to do this.
Seriously, there are some serious health issues. It cannot be ignored!
Then I got what all these groups were saying.
At first I thought they were a little over the top myself.
Sorry but I'm not interested in tumors or cognitive changes or brain leakage.
Malaprop, I challenge you to do a little science here.

Tell me what you think.

Now I'd like to know what is it that EPRI has on the line?

How about you use your research skills to find out how much Sage made last year compared to EPRI?

I await your research Malaprop!
Cmon now .... who makes more, PEPCOs CEO or Dr. Davis, or EPRI?
Please lets try to have a fact based discussion.
To say that they people advocating for health are only doing so to make money is quite funny!
I doubt Davis is a bestseller!
I only get books from the library sadly for her.
LOL

as my granddaughter would say.
These people are putting theselves in positions where they are treated as you are treating them, just as those speaking up about asbestos, lead and cigarettes were.
and what of PCBs.
I remember ten years ago they were laughing about this but now people are taking the issue a bit more seriously.
Really Malaprop, accusing these folks of just trying to make money?
Is that your argument?
Have you read the studies?
Hop to it!
It could take a while as there are thousands. Read the body of evidence and lets talk EMF .

I want your thoughts on brain tumors, prenatal exposure, cognitive problems, neurodegeneration, immune pararmeters, glucose uptake and brain barrier leaks.

Lets do it point by point after the Storm.
This will give you time to read. Im going dark as I head to my daughter's house . Do take care and stay safe dear Malaprop.
Don't snuggle near your Smartmeter for warmth though.

I have zero faith in the "prenatal exposure" and "cognitive problems" which are often low quality and/or far reaching.

I just saw a ridiculous study saying that childhood obesity is linked to magnetic fields (ELF not RF). Overeating and lack of activity is responsible for obesity. To me, it is much more plausible that the science behind that report is flawed than ELF being a causal factor of childhood obesity. I doubt it's even a predictive factor.

There are so many comments here that I have not been able to read them all. My apologies if this was already posted. Please read the Sage Report on Smart Meters - http://sagereports.com/smart-meter-rf/?page_id=196 It is true that the levels from one smartmeter will be relatively low inside a home, but they are measurable and some of us do not want that exposure. Then there are collector meters and banks of meters on multi unit dwellings. From the Sage Report: "FCC compliance violations are identified at 11” in a nursery or bedroom setting using Equation 10* of the FCC OET 65 regulations (Tables 12-13). These violations are predicted to occur where there are multiple smart meters, or one collector meter, or one collector meter mounted together with several smart meters."

Additionally, a homes wires will carry the RF throughout the home and rebroadcast it. This is a problem with all higher frequency RF because the wavelengths are shorter than the length of the wires, which turns our home wiring into antennas that rebroadcast the RF. I have measured the RF coming of a home's wiring that had a smart meter on it and no other wireless devices in the home. The levels were elevated throughout the home near all of the wires.

Even ants get a little confused when exposed to rf fields.
http://www.emf-portal.de/viewer.php?aid=20151&sid=44942f6de7bd0671fa62d6496d8125e7&sform=7&pag_idx=0&l=e
"The exposed ants showed deficiencies in the ability of the association between food sites and encountered cues in comparison to never exposed ants: Exposed ants failed to acquire the ability of associating olfactory or visual stimuli and food. After exposure and a 30 h recovery period, the ants were able to make this association, but never reached the score of unexposed ants. When these ants were exposed and trained at the same time, they lost the learned association between food and olfactory or visual clues, even more rapidly than never exposed ants. The effect of exposure to GSM 9000 MHz was greater on the visual memory than the olfactory one.
Additionally, the authors observed that the physiological constitution of exposed colonies showed deficiencies in the movement of the workers, the feeding frequency and the development of the brood in comparison to those never exposed."

Do you get paid by the word or by the number of comments you make?

Indeed , Malaprop does seem a paid bully. Rarely adding a thoughtful insight and refuses to even adress the science directly.

i have sent reams of information but he refuses to read it nor adress it. Classic and quite transparant.

MaryJane:

I see the outstanding scholars at Yale have determined that they have a found a link between ADHD and cell phone usage. In fact, they are quite specific:

"Our results also imply that the effects of prenatal exposure to radiation on the brain might be global, since glutamatergic transmission onto neurons in another area of the brain (i.e., the VMH) was decreased as well. The effects of prenatal exposure to cell phone radiation may have more profound effects on brain functions than reported in this study. However, the effect was not identical; there are likely to be cell type specific or regional variations in susceptibility. Alternatively, the depth of the VMH may have shielded this region from maximal exposure."

But the comments from experts who analyzed this report indicate:

1) It;s not clear if the phone was transmitting.
2) The effect of the cage was not considered.
3) The idle calculations are incorrect.

So we have an exposed group that may really not have been exposed and the very detailed calculations are wrong regardless. This is a sloppy experiment, poorly reviewed and in the best case would need replication before it was accepted.

This study falls flat.

Researchers need results in order to be relevant. Nobody cares about "no effect" so there is a result bias.

This should server as a good lesson why experiments need independent replication.

http://www.smartmeterhealthalert.org/health.html

HEALTH AND SMART METERS

For many of us, the involuntary constant exposure to radiofrequency radiation (RF) coming from the meters and the mesh network in which they function, becomes a perilous tipping point. Our bodies can no longer sustain the constant barrage, causing many of us, and our children, to begin to suffer from symptoms such as:

Headaches
Nausea
Insomnia
Irritability
Difficulty concentrating
Ringing or buzzing in ears
Nightmares
Heart palpitations
Sensations of pressure in the chest or lungs
Difficulty breathing
Agitation
Body aches
Interference with medical devices such as pacemakers
One of the most insidious parts of this is that, for many of us, the connection between the recent installation of Smart Meters and the harm they are doing to our bodies has not been made! We cannot even begin to take a stand against this assault if we do not know its source. So we become more and more ill but don't know why.

http://www.smartmeterhealthalert.org/health.html

hello:

Thanks for the propaganda from the anti-smart meter activist site. This really helps the discussion.

Don't forget to bow down to Sage, Carpenter, Johannson and the other pseudo-scientists. Then send your check to the California activists who will happily spend your money.

Malaprop,
Alexander Lerchl was rejected by WHO's IARC because of conflicts of interests with the Telecom industries.! Really Malaprop?
...now who is in bed with who?

http://www.hese-project.org/uk_forum/index.php?id=269

and
Two prominent European scientists (Prof. Anders Ahlbom, Dr. Alexander Lerchl ) who have been instrumental in setting the "safety" standards on EMFs (with influence lasting till today), including chairing numerous EMF expert panels such as ICNIRP in the past decade, were recently rejected by WHO's IARC because of conflicts of interests with the Telecom industries. It was revealed that Ahlbom co-owned a telecom industry lobby group with his brother. Ahlbom also resigned from Chairmanship of the Swedish Radiation Safety Scientific Council while under investigation. Dr. Lerchl hosted the German Jurlich Research Centre Panel for EMF-Children Studies Review in 2007-2008, as head of the Committee of Non-ionizing Radiation in the German Radiation Protection Commission (the highest of such position in Germany) also works as consultant for the German Informationszentrum Mobilfunk (IZMF)!

Malaprop,
Keep it coming.. What of the other research links I sent..? I imagine it is hard to have a come back when there are no "analyzers" comments around. If you do send this.. please give the name of the commenter and try to look into their history.
Dr. Alexander Lerchl has been attacking EMF studies that show results for years! I imagine you all are on the same payroll.

In case you are wondering.. Dr. Alexander Lerchl works as a consultant for the IZMF Information Centre for Mobile Communications, founded by the German mobile network operators in 2001- the cell phone companies.
Whoops ! linked to Telecom... hmmm
just coincidence?
Malaprop, really?

Which company do you work for?
sigh.. cant you at least try some of the other studies I sent you? your thoughts please?

talk about scientific integrity.

MaryJane:

Where did you find full article "Cell phone use and behavioural problems in young children?" I only found the abstract.

This is a behavioral study of people who use cell phones. What do cell phones have to do with smart meters for the purpose of this experiment. Do people chat on smart meters all day?

If you are looking from an EMF exposure perspective, you fail completely. The exposure from smart meters is drastically less (Or are you still clinging to the research of Daniel Hirsch, lecturer of Social Policy -- really -- at UCLA.).

You have posted several articles which are either flawed or irrelevant and claim you are behaving scientifically.

Now hop to disproving Lerchl's calculations -- it's just an average -- so it should be nothing for a scientist like yourself.

Dear Malaprop,
What do smartmeters have to do with cell phones?
Again, you need to read up on EMF's.
I suppose you are too busy name calling on other sites to think clearly about what you just wrote.
You continue to be unable to provide scientific backing for your comments nor even a sharp understanding of the situation and I think that reading through these comments proves it quite clearly.
I have sent you info you do not read. You do not even understand what a Smartmeter emits. You say the word flawed but give no details other then for a few using other Telecom funded sources as your basis.
Try again.

Papageorgiou CC, Hountala CD, Maganioti AE, Kyprianou MA, Rabavilas AD, Papadimitriou GN, Capsalis CN (2011) “Effects of wi-fi signals on the p300 component of event-related potentials during an auditory hayling task” J Integr Neurosci. 10(2): 189-202; PMID 21714138.
yikes could it be your working memory is decreased?

more rat studies coming in!
Check it out , injured sperm and anxiety... sigh
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23113292?dopt=Abstract

http://www.emf-portal.de/viewer.php?l=e&aid=21367

MaryJane:

You claim Lerchl is biased. Do you dispute his statement on the Yale calculations?

Malaprop,
You are not responding to all the data I am sending. Yes Lerchl is biased! works for Telecom. If you want to talk numbers lets talk about the increased brain cancer noted in cell phone users at highest cumulative use- seen in all studies, even the Interphone! of you read the entire report.
oh wait.. and more on plants ...
Here is more. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/vadodara/Cellphones-ring-in-death-knell-for-plants-Study/articleshow/16715290.cms?intenttarget=no

cell phone radiation causes... "morphological changes like decrease in growth rate in terms of height, number of branches and leaves is seen in such plants. Their leaf size gets decreased, leaves become more brittle and they fell off early."

As you are into numbers Dearest Malaprop.. Start here and give me a point by point on your analysis. Then I can run some averages. This has pictures which may be helpful to you.

http://bcfreedom.wordpress.com/2012/10/15/death-lies-and-mutations-what-the-military-kept-from-the-public-on-microwave-radiation-part-2/

MaryJane:

Do you need a math tutor to help you calculate the mean? You are either too dense or dishonest -- probably both -- to admit Lerchl's corect.

You can't read the studies the anti-smart meter sites feed you. You cannot even catch Hirsch's quack arguments.

Dearest Malaprop,
You continue not to respond to all that I send. I am not talking about Hirsh.
I am a grandmother who took the time not to look at anti EMF sites but review all the research to understand what it out there..
Please read the above 10 comments and answer. You are unable to respond when I bring you all the research but are caught up in industry funded lies and cover ups.

Try this.. ihttp://www.emf-portal.de/overviews.php?l=e
I dare you to go here and start looking at the research.
I await you.

It seems to me that you are the "psudoscientist" . Perhaps you have no problem with Monsanto's GMO corn or PCB's . In that case I can understand that you are not concerned about the Smartmeters.
Environmental emissions and chemicals should considered safe before "deploying"., not tested afterwards.. right now.. as we speak the radiation from Smartmeters continues to be tested across this earth (less in the us where folks like your employers are funding politicians) ... how interesting that millions of dollars is still going into testing...
If it were completely safe dont you think the scientists would say, "no need to research this". Instead, all I read time after time is... "we need more data, more research is needed.. over and over again" . http://ec.europa.eu/health/electromagnetic_fields/policy/index_en.htm

At your own risk Malaprop.

Indeed it is hard to believe you even have a family. Considering how close you are to this material. Surely you have read something?
Do you let your children put cell phones to their ear.. ?
Really I am quite curious.
Do you take the precautionary approach?
or are you sure your Telecom / utility companies will protect you?

How many studies will it take? Do you refute each one of the thousands showing effects?

Dear Malaprop,
If a stranger comes to your door wanting to come in and be with your children. You do not know him but many neighbors have reported he has hurt their children... Some have not..
At what point do you decide not to let him in?
How many neighbors does it take?

For me, with kids, it would be prudent to be safe.

That is why I continue to call you out. For safety's sake!
If you have children or grandchildren that you love then you simply must know what I am talking about.
If you do not have children then I doubt you could ever understand.

The last thing I am doing is running away.
Do you think there is no association with EMF's and childhood leukemia?

Yes, I am questioning your ethics.
It is unethical to disregard serious health concerns.
It was unethical for this country to disregard the EMF issue in relation to powerlines and it is unethical for this country to continue putting out technology before it is tested.
That is unethical.

You are the one running away here. Malaprop. You are running away from all that i have sent.
You name-call folks who say there are health risks and then say you wont read their reports.
You seem to like commenting all over the nation on Smartmeters.
What of that Malaprop?
Maybe you forgot to sign in with your other name?

It is unethical to see study after study come out with results showing health concerns but not take precautionary action because "no causal mechanism" is understood Especially in this science where docs admittedly do not know the causal mechanisms for most cancers?
Really Malaprop.

Ethics are about acting morally and with integrity.

The Yale study states "Whole cell patch clamp recordings of miniature excitatory postsynaptic currents (mEPSCs) revealed that these behavioral changes were due to altered neuronal developmental programming. Exposed mice had dose- responsive impaired glutamatergic synaptic transmission onto layer V pyramidal neurons of the prefrontal cortex. We present the first experimental evidence of neuropathology due to in-utero cellular telephone radiation."
Whats your problem with it?

http://www.who.int/peh-emf/research/children/en/index4.html
Above is the link to the WHO agenda for studying EMF fields.
Now Malaprop, seems there is a lot of info the WHO needs.. hmm
why so interested in this issue?
There sure are a lot of experts saying more research needs to be done.
Would you give your child an experimental drug with all this talk?
no
I dont think so! and you can be sure that it would be considered unethical by the boards because there is enough evidence to show that there are potential risks.

So yes, this is all about Ethics

http://ec.europa.eu/health/scientific_committees/consultations/public_consultations/scenihr_consultation_15_en.htm

"Since September 2008, the cut-off date for the previous review by the SCENIHR, a sufficient number of new scientific publications have appeared to warrant a new analysis of the scientific evidence on possible effects on human health of exposure to EMF. "

Dearest Malaprop,
I suggest you explain your ethical understanding of this issue. I am very interested.

http://jech.bmj.com/content/early/2010/11/11/jech.2010.115402.abstract?sid=2a52e43d-0fe8-407d-ac2a-22288a2d0a27
oh yes this one of which you speak where the findings were replicated. I await your analysis. So far i see none?

You still have not commented on this http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23113292?dopt=Abstract

Single exposure of white outbred rats to electromagnetic radiation with a frequency 905 MHz (GSM frequency) for 2 h increased anxiety, reduced locomotor, orientation, and exploration activities in females and orientation and exploration activities in males. Glucocorticoid levels and antioxidant system activity increased in both males and females. In addition to acute effects, delayed effects of radiation were observed in both males and females 1 day after the exposure. These results demonstrated significant effect of GSM-range radiation on the behavior and activity of stress-realizing and stress-limiting systems of the body.

Do you have any thoughts on sperm injury?
There are too many studies to post on this.

Oh Dear, I doubt you can respond to all of this... too much info for you.
Lets go back to ethics.. a good place to start.
How do you see your ethics at play in this lovely debate?
How might you see Ethical issues playing a role in the issue of Smartmeters?
and cell phones for that matter?

Ethics? Malaprop?

I asked for a link to the full article on the Kheifts behavioral study yet all I get is a smattering of more studies.

The abstract does not tell if RF exposure is the agent responsible.

Malaprop,
It is very simple to research things online. All you do is search for the heading. It concerns me that you do not know how to do this. What is your background and education that you are asking me such a question? Please try and look all the other studies as well. And of course you still have not answered my question on Ethics.
I await your thoughtful response.
http://www.avaate.org/IMG/pdf/NINOS_Cell_phone_use_and_behavioural_problems_inIech.2010.115402.full.pdf

You might want to email the author with your questions too.

and of course.... about the emissions that Smartmeters emit as do cell phones....On 31st May 2011, IARC classified radiofrequency electromagnetic fields as possibly carcinogenic to humans (Group 2B), based on an increased risk for glioma, a malignant type of brain cancer, associated with wireless phone use.

Malaprop,
Shall we discuss this data? this is not a smattering as you say... but a bit of a tidal wave.. one that increases with time....

"Neurosurgeons like Keith Black in Los Angeles said: "What microwave radiation does in most simplistic terms is similar to what happens to food in microwaves, essentially cooking the brain" and Charlie Teo in Australia said, "There is an increasing body of evidence that there is an association between brain tumors and mobile phones."
http://microwavenews.com/news-center/iarc-cell-phone-radiation-possible-human-carcinogen

Much experimental evidence of non-thermal influences of microwave radiation on living systems has been
published in the scientific literature during the last 30 years – relating both to in vitro and in vivo studies – and
were reviewed just recently by the STOA commission of the European Parliament (STOA 2001). From the use
of microwave wireless technologies e.g. the following non-thermal biological effects have been reported:
!" Changes in the electrical activity in the human brain,
!" Increase in DNA single and double strand breaks from HF exposure to 2.45 GHz,
!" Increased lymphoma rates (2 fold) in transgenic mice exposed twice a day exposed to 30 minutes of
cell phone (GSM) signals over 18 month,
!" Increased permeability of the blood-brain barrier in rats,
!" Observation of an increase in resting blood pressure during exposure,
!" Increased permeability of the erythrocyte membrane,
!" Effects on brain electrochemistry (calcium efflux),
!" Increase of chromosome aberrations and micronuclei in human blood lymphocytes,
!" Synergistic effects with cancer promoting and certain psychoactive drugs,
!" Depression of chicken immune systems,
!" Increase in chicken embryo mortality,
!" Effects on brain dopamine/opiate electrochemistry,
!" Increases in DNA single and double strand breaks in rat brain,
!" Stressful effects in healthy and tumor bearing mice,
!" Neurogenetic effects and micronuclei formation in peritoneal macrophage.

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